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The Guerrilla Employment Advocates are rife and many are holding themselves out as being employment lawyers when they are not registered lawyers. We describe some of the shady practices some advocacy firms are still undertaking and what people should be aware of before signing up to No Win No Fee.

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No Win No Fee Employment Law

The title No Win No Fee Employment Lawyer is technically not correct. The correct term would be No Win No Fee Employment Advocate. It is considered unethical for lawyers to charge a percentage of a settlement and therefore registered lawyers will not advertise “No Win No Fee” services in New Zealand, however employment advocates do offer a "No Win, No Fee" service.

However, there are law firms that will charge fixed fees, or what their hourly rate fees would have been, which are payable at the conclusion of the client’s case regardless of the outcome. Often the law firms will charge some fees upfront. In such a case if the client was to get to the Employment Relations Authority and lose the case, not only would that client be liable to pay the lawyers fees, but the client will also be liable to contribute to the costs incurred by the successful party. In the worst case scenario the client would have a double hit financially and it really is just a question of how exorbitant their lawyers fees are that they are liable to pay.

Employment Advocates who are not registered lawyers are permitted to offer No Win No Fee services to the public, and they take a different approach to lawyers that would take their fee regardless of the outcome at the end. The major difference is that No Win No Fee Advocacy firms will not charge their client in the event of their client being unsuccessful in the Employment Relations Authority, unless the client has mislead the firm or breached the contract in some material way that had resulted in the loss. This is the key difference and one of the main benefits.


No Win No Fee, it's not Free

One myth that has plagued the New Zealand No Win No Fee Employment Law scene for many years is the misconception that No Win No Fee is a free service. This is not the case. No Win No Fee Advocacy firms expect that their clients cooperate with the firm to achieve a successful result, not to mislead the firm or provide false information. Firms need to be given a real opportunity to win. Where the client through their actions or behaviour does not allow this to reasonably happen the client is charged termination fees. This is standard practice.

A common example
A No Win No Fee firm has raised a personal grievance for the client and the firm intends on taking the case further, the client wants to pull out:

Client: "I have spoken to my husband and I have decided to not go any further.”

Firm: “Sorry to hear about that, but we will have to charge you for our work performed to date.”

Client: “But it’s No Win No Fee!”

Firm: “Yes, it is No Win No Fee, but did you give us a real opportunity to Win?”


The first phone call

What is happening with some of the larger No Win No Fee firms is the call taker in the initial phone call will immediately make a call to the aggrieved employee’s employer in pursuit of a fast settlement even before the client has signed up to anything.

The danger with this is that anything that is said in attempting to resolve or come to an agreement initially does not carry the without prejudice privilege unless a live dispute has been established. At this very early stage the call-taker has not raised a personal grievance in writing, and there has been no response in writing disputing the personal grievance – Therefore anything spoken about is not off the record and not without prejudice, the conversation if recorded by the employer, or if the employer gives evidence on what they have remembered was said can be used later in the Employment Relations Authority or the Employment Court, and this would include whatever amount of money was asked for by the advocate to try and achieve a fast settlement. This could not only damage the clients case but could also limit what award the client could seek later.

Another issue is that the call-taker in speaking to the employer directly in an attempt to achieve a quick financial settlement has not spent the requisite time and effort to properly establish the facts of the case. Rushing in and making statements at an early stage can jeopardize the clients case or potentially result in there being no real case, let's say if the employee has just been dismissed or thought they have been dismissed and the employer corrects any misapprehension or makes a genuine offer for reinstatement in remedy of a personal grievance the employee may have had, if a short time has passed between the misapprehension or termination of employment and there is a genuine offer to re-employ, the Employment Relations Authority would criticize an employee for not accepting a fast genuine offer to return to work. If a client wants a good payout then patience and making educated moves is key to success.

It is becoming common that where these unethical and unprofessional tactics are being used by advocacy firms, if they don't result in a quick financial settlement, the call-taker will either cherry-pick the best cases for themselves or pass on the other cases to the other advocates contracting to the firm.


Charging a percentage of settlement

Charging one third of the total settlement plus GST is standard practice. No matter at what point the case is settled whether it be after a couple of phone calls made by the firm or at mediation the fees on a percentage settlement can be larger than paying an hourly rate or fixed fees, however this is how the firm benefits as the firm is taking the risk, it is an extended line of credit effectively.

As a client would you rather pay an hourly rate instead? By the time Mediation is coming to an end following a personal grievance being raised an disputed, and the client is signing a settlement at the end of a half day mediation, the firm should not have spent more than 10 hours work on a clients case.

A common example
No Win No Fee or Hourly Rate?

Hourly rate to settle a case at mediation:
At $250 plus GST per hour where 10 hours are spent by the firm, that is $2,500 plus GST in real fees.

No Win No Fee percentage of a third plus GST:
A total settlement figure reached could be $15,000. One third plus GST of $15,000 is $5,000 plus GST. The firm has doubled its money and often the employer has agreed to pay plus GST otherwise the client is charged plus GST.


Payment of settlement

The firms are relying on the employer agreeing to pay the firm its fees directly on production of a GST invoice from the firm to the employer. Most of the time this will be no problem, but many companies for whatever reason refuse to do so and will pay the client directly. The firm risks being cut out of the equation of having their fees paid if the client decides to do a runner.

How are some of the No Win No Fee firms coping with this problem? To them it is simple, have a bank account owned by the firm, tell the employer that their client would like the money paid into this bank account and voila. The firm takes its cut and then passes the remainder of the money to the client. Section 150A of the Employment Relations Act 2000 does not permit this, although there is no penalty or punitive action available, the legislation see's it such that the employer is still liable to make the payment or payments in terms of a settlement agreement if the employee is not paid directly.

150A Payment on resolution of problem
  1. Any payment by one party to another, required by any agreed terms of settlement under section 149(3) or decision under section 150(3), must be paid directly to the other party and not to a representative of that party, and the party receiving the payment may not receive, or agree to receive, payment in any other manner.
  2. For the purposes of this Act, a payment that does not comply with subsection (1) is to be treated as if the payment has not been made.
  3. Subsection (1) does not—
    1. apply if the party to whom the payment is required to be made is receiving or has received legal aid under the Legal Services Act 2000 for any matter related to the employment relationship problem giving rise to the mediation; or
    2. prevent a payment being made to the other party’s solicitor.

Despite the law there are firms still doing this, and probably unknown to the firm due to their lack of legal knowledge, the question that arises is this: who pays the GST? When the money is being transferred to a business bank account when the employer is deceived into thinking they are paying the employee directly, a portion of that money is then be passed on to the client. So either the firm is taking the hit on the GST or the client is, and if unknown to the firm, they will get a surprise later. Passing on wages in this way becomes even more of a mess.


Appeals in the Employment Court

What does a No Win No Fee firms client contract say about what will happen if the clients case is appealed by their employer to the Employment Court? Your case might get a win in the Employment Relations Authority but either party may elect to appeal within 28 days of the Authority determination being issued.

Appeals in the Employment Court are rare but if it were to happen the No Win No Fee arrangement ends there. In order to claim an order for costs in success in the Employment Court, invoices and actual costs must be produced. Are there firms willing to go to the Employment Court No Win No Fee? It is unlikely.


What should you ask?

No Win No Fee employment advocacy does have its place in the employment law landscape in New Zealand but clients really do need to do some due diligence and know what it is they are signing up to. Some useful questions to ask would be:

  • Who will be taking my case?
  • Are they a lawyer or an advocate?
  • What are their qualifications?
  • What are the strengths of my case and what is the likelihood of winning?
  • How long will the process take?
  • What are the fees, disbursements and other costs involved?
  • What costs am I liable for if I don't win?
  • What happens if my case gets appealed to the Employment Court?
  • Can I see a copy of the Terms of Engagement before proceeding?
  • What will be the fees or termination charges be if I pull out of my case?

If you have any other questions or concerns or need help then don't hesitate to get in contact with us!



Last Updated: July 24, 2021 0800 WIN KIWI